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Schengen Visa refusal

edited April 2016 in Visa and Passport
Hi! I have applied for schengen visa at the Italian consulate in japan to attend a onference in Rome, but it was refused by unfair reason " one or more member state consider you to be a threat to public policy, internal security or public health as defined in article 2(19),,,. while i submitted all required documents. I am from Afghanistan and studying in japan, please tell me does it affect my future applications? The conference is already finished, should I appeal against it or not.
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  • @saam
    One or more member state consider you to be a threat to public policy, internal security or public health as defined in article 2(19)
    One

    This is a very serious refusal and here are the reasons behind the refusal.

    You have submitted fake or false documents and / or made contradictory statements.
    or
    You have attempted deceit.
    or
    You have a negative entry in the AZR (Central Register of Foreigners); as long as this remains, it is not possible to grant you a visa.
  • Thank you so much for the quick response Alethia.

    Me and my two other friends applied same time and submitted same documets, they have got the visa but not me.
    I dont know what happened during application and submission of documents. This is first time i applied for European country visa, and in japan, it is my first time i have traveled abroad and thats for study only and have a clean foretime.

    What do you mean by having negavitve entry at AZR? I never entered Europe before.
    You mean i have to appeal against this? Please give me any information you have on how and where to appeal, coz in the embassy notification is writed as" an appeal can be brought against this decision directly at the T.A.R of the Latium Region".
  • edited April 2016
    @saam
    You do have the rightof appeal but I am afraid you will not get much answer as no government has to justify the granting/refusal of visas under current international agreements. Obtaining a visa is not a right, defined by a rule of law, but a privilege. A state is free to deny a visa to any applicant without justification, or to refuse entry on its territory to any alien, even if said alien was granted a visa.
    You can be denied entry even to a State which as granted you a visa.
  • Thanks again,

    I got it, but my concern is about the future applications. How serious will this refusal affect my future visa applications? and what things i should consider in future application, please give me some suggestions.

  • Foreigners may receive information free of charge about the data stored about them by submitting a written application. (Requesting personal information in accordance with sec. 34 of the AZR Act).
    Here is the application form/
    http://www.bamf.de/SharedDocs/Anlagen/EN/Downloads/Infothek/Forschung/FormulareAntraege/08-azr-auskunft-betroffener.html?nn=1452686

    The applicant's signature on the application must be officially certified.Certification can be carried out by a German embassy, a notary or an authorised office in your country of origin.
    http://www.bamf.de/EN/DasBAMF/Aufgaben/FuehrungAZR/fuehrungazr-node.html
  • Alethia! I appreciate your supports, but please give answers a ccording to questions, i am confused.
    The other, its written in the refusal notification that the appeal should be brought in T.A.R. of Latium Region, is it in germany or Italy? The link you have shared is in Germany and German language.

    My main concern is the effect of this refusal to my future application, dose it have serious effect or not?
  • edited April 2016
    @saam
    You appeal to Tribunale Amministrativo Regionale (T.A.R.) (regional administrative court) of Lazio within 60 days of receipt of the notification of denial.
    http://www.esteri.it/mae/en/ministero/servizi/stranieri/ingressosoggiornoinitalia/visto_ingresso/diniego_visto.html

    AZR (Central Register of Foreigners) this is based in Germany, it stores information on foreigners who have applied for and been refused visa's . As I said in my first post if there is a negative entry on the AZR about you, then you will always be refused a visa. Schengen countries share information about non EU nationals via AZR and SIS the Schengen Information System. If you read my posts more closely I was suggesting you ask AZR if the hold any adverse information. I did not say you appeal to them.

    By the way to appeal to (T.A.R.) (regional administrative court) you will need an Italian lawyer.
    You obviously do not read my replies to you, I have written very clearly that this is a serious refusal and as long as one or more member state consider you a threat , you will not be granted any future visas.

    Is that clear enough?
  • Thank you Alethia, its so nice of you.
    Would you introduce me a lawyer in Rome? If you can, it will be appreciated.
  • @saam
    Very sorry I but I cannot help as I do not know an Italian lawyer specialising in Schengen appeals
  • Dear Alethia.

    Me too have same situation my Schengen visa is also refused under article 2(19). Embassy is not telling that which state has raised objection and what sort of objection is this. Whereas, i have clean record at Schengen system. Unless i know which state has raised objection and what kind of objection has been raised i am unable to pursue my appeal or reapply. Therefore, kindly tell me what should i do?
  • @ahmedaty
    I assume you can read and are computer literate?
    If you are then try reading this thread and my post date 18 April just 4 posts above this and the answer to what you should do is written there. I am also assuming you were refused by italy.
  • Alethia Thanks for your reply.
    Well, visa application is refused by Netherlands Embassy Islamabad. My Inquiry is related that my visa application is refused under article 2(19) and what Schengen State has raised the objection and what sort of that objection is. And Netherlands Embassy is not willing to disclose it. As you suggested then should i contact German Authority to get clarification from their record of The Central Register of Foreigners (AZR). But i dont have the postal address of German Authority to send the application form.
    Therefore, kindly tell me the postal address or if possible then fax number of authority as well.

    Thanks alot in advance.
  • @ahmedaty
    Google AZR, I am not your secretary.
    You should also appeal the decision.
  • Thanks for your reply.
    Although, you are not my secretary but my good friend. I offer you my services as friend regarding any matter in Pakistan and UK related with law matters.

    Wish u all the best.
  • @saam
    Dear Saam
    I had the same refusal from Italian embassy in UAE, can I know what happens with your case, did you appealed?
    and did you know what the reason for this refusal?
  • @amjadho
    It is highly unlikely that you will receive an answer as this topic is over a year old
  • Dear alethia
    I am an afghan national.i applied for swiss visa in the year 2015. Being the sponsor my visa was rejected and my wife visa was approved. The reason being " one or more state consider you ........:". For the same refusal i made an appeal but unfortunatly my appeal was also decline.
    I contacted the swiss migration office and i only got to know that my visa was not refused by switzerland but some other state and they cannot pull the information as it has been long time for my refusal.They suggested me to apply again to know the name of the state.
    In this situation can you please guide me my next step. Should i apply or you do have a better option for me.

    Please reply

    Thank you
  • @maxmanohar
    All you can do is reapply.
  • Hello, Alethia, I am from India, I recently applied for a short stay schengen visa for Netherlands and got a refusal, The reasons are information submitted regarding the justification for the purpose and the conditions of the intended stay was not reliable and the intention to leave the territory before the expiry of the visa are not clear but I have submitted all the documents according to their checklist and I am a self employed person iand I also shown the property documents to them but still I got a rejection, please help me Alethia, what should I do now....
  • Thanks alethia for your prompt reply.

    Should i reapply from the same state(switzerland) or try some other state like ltaly.

    Please reply
  • Hello, Alethia Pls suggest me some solution
  • edited August 11
    @rohit87
    Obviously you did not supply the correct docunents.
    Obtain proof you have ties to India and an itinerary and proof of what you intend to do in the Schengen country. Then reapply
  • Can I have your email id, so that I can send you a list of documents which i have submitted and I confirmed the same documents with the vfs people, Even I submitted my business registration proof and my property documents, my Income tax returns, saving account statement and business account statement plus complete travel plan and internal train ticket from netherlands to belgium, prepaid hotel reservations and a confirmed flight return ticket, what to submit more?
  • edited August 11
    @rohit87
    All advice is given on the forum free of charge. I would have to charge a fee if I did this type of work.
    I do not give out my personal information
  • Ok, But what are the charges ?
  • Hello, Alethia, Do you think I should appeal and If you suggest that I should appeal so what documents do I need more to support my appeal letter and previously I got a rejection from france a month ago after that I applied for Netherlands after confirming from the consular office of netherlands, that can I apply if I have a rejection and they said yes you can apply until and unless you don't have any terrorirst or criminal act, so I applied for the netherlands and in the schengen visa application form, I said no in the "previously collected biometrics for the schengen visa" because vfs people asked me to do that, what should I do now shall i reapply or appeal or if both conditions are not ok, Shall i apply for Uk visa because I have done my masters degree from Uk, I stayed there for 2 years and I can get an invitation letter from my cousin sister who is a british citizen, please suggest me Alethia
  • Thanks alethia for your prompt reply.

    Should i reapply from the same state(switzerland) or try some other state like ltaly.

    Please reply
  • Hello Alethia, any suggestion pls
  • edited August 14
    @rohit87
    Vis Information system is technology shared by all Schengen countries. Your information and application history is in that system
    They can even provide information to the UK if required. So when you put "no" on previously collected biometrics you were untruthful.
    You can reapply to any country you like but with two refusals and a lie on the application form you are likely to be refused again.
    You probably have better chance to enter the UK but your Schengen refusals must be mentioned on the application form and this may go against you.
  • edited August 14
    So, what do you suggest - shall I appeal to the Netherlands or just apply for the UK visa?
  • Hi alethia

    Shall i apply switzerland again or try some other state. Secondly i would like to state that my previous visit in schegen country was through france and it has been almost 10 years. Is the reason "one or more state consider you ........" linked to my last visit or not.

    Moreover i read your above comment related to this topic and you have mentioned something about AZR OR SIS. Is this related to me or not.

    Your assitance in my case will be highly appreciated.

    Thank you
  • edited August 12
    Hello Alethia, if we appeal in through the Netherlands because I got a recent rejection from there, And if the result of the appeal is a failure, in that case can't we apply again for the schengen visa in future or failure of appeal would worsen the case? Please suggest
  • I mean worsen the case
  • @rohit87
    You can appeal to the Netherlands. See what happens and then apply to the UK
  • Hi alethia

    Shall i apply switzerland again or try some other state. Secondly i would like to state that my previous visit in schegen country was through france and it has been almost 10 years. Is the reason "one or more state consider you ........" linked to my last visit or not.

    Moreover i read your above comment related to this topic and you have mentioned something about AZR OR SIS. Is this related to me or not.

    Your assitance in my case will be highly appreciated.

    Thank you
  • @maxmanohar
    If one or more states consider you a security risk you most definitely have to obtain information from AZR and SIS.
    This is a very serious refusal and could lead to alife time ban if you dont resolve this issue.
  • Ok. Thank you so much Alethia, I really appreciate your help, but onemore thing i wanna ask that do appral gonna worsen my case or is it ok to appeal?
  • edited August 14
    @rohit87
    Appealing will not worsen your case and you will get a definite answer
  • edited August 14
    Ok, Thank you Alethia, Should I appeal by myself or hire an Immigration lawyer in the Netherlands?
  • Thanks alethia for your reply.

    For AZR i have read your previous comment. It is much clear.But for SIS please provide more information.

    Regds
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