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Passport Question - do I have to leave after 90 days in Schengen countries

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  • edited 3:55PM
    Hi, I'm an Australian citizen and later this year I am looking to travel to Germany from mid June to early August under the Schengen State visa agreement, return home and then travel back to Germany in late November for another couple of months. Do you know if this is possible? There are more than 90 days between my planned return in August and departure to go to Germany again in late November but I was wondering if you have to wait a full 180 days from the initial date that I depart in June or whether it's just 90 days that I have to wait from when I return to Australia in early August? This looks like the appropriate place to ask these things.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks in advance! :)
  • edited 3:55PM
    Hi all,
    Here is my story, please help.

    I got my visa on October 31, 2011 and spent in Schengen area from 1 Nov 2011-7 Jan 2012 (68 days).
    On April 10, 2012 (after 94 days being out) I bought my ticket to go to Schengen zone again to get married. For marriage I need time, I mean it's not to do in a few days. So, my question is, can I start a new 90 days from 10 April, till I finish with all matrimonial documentations? If not, can i extend my time there to stay more till I finish?
    Thanks for answering.
  • edited 3:55PM
    So I'm an American citizen, and I'm currently in Spain, au pairing for a family. I arrived on January 15th and I leave in a week and a half. All added up, I will have been here for 83 days. I'm going back to the United States for a few months, but planning on returning to Spain for another three months on June 28th. If I understand correctly, I can only stay in the country for 90 days out of a 180-day time frame. That means my 180-day time frame ends on July 13th and cumulatively, I will have reached my 90 days on July 5th. So..I have this really awkward over-lap and eight days where I'm staying past ninety days. But on the 13th, a new 180-day period starts. Should I try to apply for some sort of visa? Or should I just risk it? Would problems arrive in trying to get back into Spain in June, or would it be when I left in September? On September 13th, I'm leaving Spain and traveling across Europe for two weeks, leaving out of Rome on September 26th. From what I've read, Italy seems to be pretty lenient on these sorts of things, but will I have any problems going from country to country via trains? Any advice? Please help!
  • edited 3:55PM
    So I'm an American citizen, and I'm currently in Spain, au pairing for a family. I arrived on January 15th and I leave in a week and a half. All added up, I will have been here for 83 days. I'm going back to the United States for a few months, but planning on returning to Spain for another three months on June 28th. If I understand correctly, I can only stay in the country for 90 days out of a 180-day time frame. That means my 180-day time frame ends on July 13th and cumulatively, I will have reached my 90 days on July 5th. So..I have this really awkward over-lap and eight days where I'm staying past ninety days. But on the 13th, a new 180-day period starts. Should I try to apply for some sort of visa? Or should I just risk it? Would problems arrive in trying to get back into Spain in June, or would it be when I left in September? On September 13th, I'm leaving Spain and traveling across Europe for two weeks, leaving out of Rome on September 26th. From what I've read, Italy seems to be pretty lenient on these sorts of things, but will I have any problems going from country to country via trains? Any advice? Please help!
  • edited 3:55PM
    hi!
    i'm an american citizen who will be flying to denmark (a Schengen country, i believe) to see my boyfriend before heading to lebanon for fieldwork. i am planning on purchasing an airline ticket that will be for longer than 90 days, HOWEVER, most of that time will actually be spent in lebanon, so i won't be in violation of anything.
    the problem is, i did this once before, and obviously had no issues in denmark, but DID have issues with the airline in los angeles. i explained the situation, and they asked me if i had my second itinerary on me. i didn't (everything is online nowadays and i didn't have a smartphone at the time), so they forced me to change my return date...to the tune of $600. boo.
    my question is: if i DO bring my second itinerary this time around, will i be okay? or am i going to have to make sure i come back to the US sometime within those 90 days? (what a pain in the a** that would be!)
    eec
  • edited 3:55PM
    Ok my 90 days will be up on may 2 in germary my husband in the military and won't to stay longer how do I go about doing this
  • edited 3:55PM
    Hi, I'm from Turkey, resident in the uk. I'm applying for a schengen visa to travel to italy. I will be in Italy for just a few hours, I then go over the boarder into France. Do I need to get another visa for France or am I fre to trave in france with my Italian visa?
  • edited 3:55PM
    This whole Schengen visa thing is sooooo annoying. It has totally wrecked those who would like to take a gap year bumming around Europe before or after college. It is just sort of the luck of the draw in terms of catching people or not.

    When we entered Italy last year, they never stamped or even looked at our passports! My daughter even walked over to the passport guy and he angrily waved her away! So there was no record as to when we came in (except probably the microchip in our passports recorded when we boarded the plane in the US - do not forget about that! Your every movement is probably recorded in the passport now and they can probably find you wherever you are with the newer microchipped passports.)

    BUT we discovered that we had come to Italy on the wrong visas (based on info given both my spouse in Italy and me by the Italian consulate in Philly) and had to return to the US to get the proper visas from the consulate in PA. You have to get the Italian visa from the consulate who has jurisdiction over your permanent address!

    I lived in Italy for over a year (legally, as the hubby was working there). Heard all sorts of horror stories about people who overstayed and then were banned from all Schengen countries for two or five years.

    It is not worth the risk to overstay your visa if you think you would like to return to any Schengen country in the near future. And with the Schengen agreement expanding, it is a total drag for world travellers......
  • edited 3:55PM
    Hello, I am an Australian married to a French man, I am Currently 8 months pregnant and my 90 days in France will end on the 26th april which is also my last week to fly on any airline being 36 weeks, I haven't been leaving this to the last minute it's just been difficult trying to gain a longer visa in France when the French Consulate in 'Sydney' asks for Original Documentation, I am already here, I only have one copy of my wedding certificate and I had it translated by the french consulate in sydney, Why can't I show these perfectly legitmate documents here? I don't want to loose my original dcuments in the mail. Is there anyone in this country who can help me??? I am very DESPERATE
  • edited 3:55PM
    hi am from morocco i was married to british citizen i was in uk under visa spouse 2years and half it is valid till june 2013 i was pregnant 34 weeks i did a schengen visa to travel for holiday to paris on november but there we had some problems so idecided to leave my husband coz i was badly angry and i wanted to finish my pregnancy happily i went italy and i stay with my family to give birth in peace i knew that i have just 90 days in schenegen visa but my baby was less than 1 month to travel and i gave birth by cizarien i couldnt travel so i ask for permission to stay and they give me permission for medical cure (maternity) it will finish in july when my baby is 6 months i want now go back UK but i dont know how
    - can i travel with this document i got in italy?
    - what for the baby do i need to get visa for her or register her in uk embassy?
    - my husband refuse any contact between us even the girl he dont want her anymore he refuse any help so what can i do please can anyone help me with informations.
  • edited 3:55PM
    Awesome for this forum. I am great to read all the comment over here.

    I am a Malaysian(3rd country nation). I been travel to Austria follow the rules "90 days out of a total of 180 days" on last year May 2011 to Aug 2011(90days) and then now Mar2012 to May 2012.(90 days).This is because my husband (i.e: Malaysian) and he is working over here almost 5 years and holding the " Rot-Weiss-Rot-Karte plus".

    My 90days will be due on 30.05.2012, he have decided to let me stay longer with him in Austria(maybe more than 6 month). I have no idea what should i do and what kind of visa shall i apply because currently i am away from my home country (i.e: Malaysia). I am not sure whether those visa/permit i can apply in Austria?

    i wish someone can help me on this. You help is much appreciated. Danke!!
  • edited 3:55PM
    For Italy then 90 days there and then 90 days out before able to return for 90 days?

    My daughter will be studying there; am I able to be there from August to May?

    Grazie
  • edited 3:55PM
    If I have been in Germany for 80 days and fly back to New York for 2 weeks can I return to Germany for another 90 days?
    Glenn
  • edited 3:55PM
    Hi, Glenn.
    As what i am understand you can only stay another 10 days more when you back to Germany again. It's because of "90 days out of a total of 180 days" rules.
    Example :
    01.01.20112 ur passport stamped in Germany, you stay until 28.02.2012 ( total 59 days) then you go back to New York on 28.02.2012. 90 days - 59 days = 31 days balance. So, maybe you come back again on 01.04.2012 then will due on 01.05.2012.(02.05.2012 consider overstay 1 day). 90 days IN (any of EU country, and 90 days OUT (non-EU) then you can only come back again to any of EU country.In another words, 180days (6 months, you only can stay max 3 months in any EU country).

    In 1 year (12months) you can stay max is 6 months but not continuously. It is 6 months (stay 3 month then you have to go out EU country for 3 months).

    I hope my information can provide you the right answer.
  • edited 3:55PM
    Hi,
    I am an Australian who has been living in Belgium for the past year on a residence permit. My permit expires in August, but I'd like to make use of my 90-day visa-free schengen rights. So, if I leave Schengen for a day before my permit expires, and then re-enter, does this entitle me to 90 days stay here on my tourist passport?
    Thanks!
  • edited 3:55PM
    Here is an example of how it works guys.

    Day 1 - January 1st you arrive in a Schengen Zone country such as Germany for example. From January 1st (Day 1) till midnight on June 29 (Day 180) you are only allowed to stay in the Schengen zone for a maximum of 90 days in that 180 day period.

    If you stay for longer than 90 days in that period, you will have broken the visa regulations. You may be caught when you eventually try to leave, or you may be caught when you next try to re-enter (when you try to re-enter, passport control will be able to see computer records showing how long you had stayed in the Schengen Zone when you last visited).

    Now, Say you arrived in a Schengen Zone country such as Germany on Jan 1 (day 1) and stayed till Jan 30 (day 30). On Jan 30, you leave and go to the UK for 21 days. Then you want to return to the Schengen Zone. When you re-enter the Schengen Zone, you can only stay for up to another 60 days in the 180 day period that started when you first entered back on Jan 1. The 180 day period will end on Jun 29, and no matter how many times you leave the Schengen zone, you must leave before Jun 29 or else you will be in breech of the visa conditions.

    If you leave on or before Jun 29 (and have not stayed in the Schengen Zone for more than 90 days in that period between Jan 1 and Jun 29) then you can return to the Schengen Zone on Jun 30 and then get 'a new 180 day period' whereby you can stay legally for 90 days over the next 180 days.

    So to understand. the 180 day period starts when you first arrive in the Schengen Zone. If you then leave the Schengen Zone after 30 days (for example) and then come back in 5 days later (for example), you do not get a new 90 days of stay or a new 180 day period.

    Now the rule is a little confusing here, but hope I can clear something up easily. You arrive in Germany (Schengen Zone) on Day 1 (Jan 1). You have to leave by day 180 (Jun 29) or 90 days (whichever comes first). But stay you arrived Jan 1 and stay for 30 days (till Jan 30). You leave and do not return within the next 90 days since you left on Jan 30 (the day you last left). So, say you then come back to Germany (Schengen Zone) on Jun 1, you will now get a new 180 day period within which you can stay for a maximum of 90 days. This means, that if you stay away from the Schengen Zone for more than 90 days, then you will get a new 180 day period within which you can stay for 90 days.
  • edited 3:55PM
    Hmm in short the number of this will continuously counting until it is done. So better make your time valued so you could enjoy your stay.
  • edited 3:55PM
    Hi
    I am an Australian that has a working holiday visa valid for a year. I haany ears
    Many different things regarding the permesso di sorgino .. Permit to stay. What would happen if I didnt get it? I am only in italy for. About 120 days then I'm heading home I'm not going to work I have decided . can any one tell me if I should bother getting the permit? Surly with the visa in my passport I want have any problems about overstaying.
    Lou83
  • edited July 2012
    Hello!
    I'm an American citizen that will be traveling from Paris to Morocco by walking, train, car, etc., within a 4 week time frame. I will then spend 3 months in Morocco. So the question I have is I want to buy a ticket for 4 months. I arrive in Paris October 1st and by November I'll be in Morocco. Will I be allowed in the Schengen zone with a 4 month airline ticket that leaves from Casablanca back to the US? Thank you!
  • edited 3:55PM
    Hello,
    I am an American citizen and I have been in Germany for over a year now, with a study visa that expires on the 30th of Sept. 2012. I want to travel some around Europe, so I was wondering if I leave on the 30th of September for example to the UK, can I re-enter Germany or any EU country on the next day as a tourist or do I have to wait 90 day to re-enter? Hope someone can help me because I have E-mailed the immigration offices here in Germany and I have not got a respond! Thank you for your time!
  • edited 3:55PM
    Hello!
    My mother and I are here in Italy as a tourist for 90 days, my Schengen Visa will expire on Nov. 22, 2012 and my mother's Schengen Visa will expires on the 9th of Feb. 2013. Suppose to be Nov.5, 2012 is our flight going back to our country. The reason why we are still here in Rome, my mother is indisposed to travel because she is sick. is it possible to ask more days to stay here. Our sponsor is Italian citizen, He will pay 15,000 Euro as penalty if we not leave the country. can i have a response immediately. Thank you.
  • edited 3:55PM
    Hello everyone :)
    I'm currently in the US Army and am getting discharged within the next month or so (honorably). My fiance will be stationed in Vicenza, Italy and I plan on moving over there to be with him. I will qualify to work on the army post as a US government civilian employee, but I'm worried that if i don't get a work Visa before i move over there that I will have to come back to the US after 90 days. Do you know if I can get a soggiorno (Italian residence Visa issued to military dependants and Army Civilians) after I'm already in Italy? If thats possible my life will have just become a billion times easier. If not, does anyone have any idea what I need to do in order to stay over there with him for the durration of his orders (approx 2 years). Any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you soo much! ... please feel free to contact me at brinb@hotmail.com
  • Hello i come in Spain for my holidays i have valid student visa in UK. But i am over stay in Spain now more then one month .m i allowed to go back in UK with out any problum?
     
  • If you have a student visa for the UK then you should be in the UK studying and not holidaying in Spain. If you have not been attending your place of study then the college /university are required by law to inform the UK Border Agency of your failure to attend. Your visa can then be revoked (officially cancelled)

    So the answer is yes you could have serious problems if you try to enter the UK as you are now in breach of UK immigration law.


  • Alright so my situation is a bit different. Any information would be appreciated.
    I've been in France since May, and will be leaving in August (just under 90 day stay), and heading back to the US.
    Now, I know I have to wait 90 days before reentering the Schengen area...but...does that include connection flights?
    I'm going back to Tunisia in September and will need to connect either in Italy, France, or Germany...which is the Schengen area...but that's UNDER my 90 days OUT.
    I don't want to be stopped at the airport, be slapped with a fine and never be able to enter a Europe again. I'd much rather just move my ticket...
    Thank you!
  • If you only transit in the airport  (do not go outside the airport) you do not require a Schengen visa nor does it count towards the 90 days you are allowed to stay under the Schengen rules. What nationality are you?
  • I have a question that is a bit different, maybe I can get some help here. I am currently in France under my 90 limit (expires 23 september), and I have a Long Stay Student Visa which will begin on September 1st, which requires that I have a stamp of entry on September 1st or later. my question is: How many days before September 1st am I required to leave in order to reenter the Schengen area? Could I potentially leave the morning of the 1st spend the afternoon in UK or Morocco then reenter France in the evening?

    Thanks for the help.
  • Hi iam from india visiting soon portugal by business visa is there will be any problem to work in portugal and over staying in Portugal? ??
    After the visa expired if I get married a European citizen the can I get a permanent residence or a marrage visa
    ?????
  • Sreenadh you cannot overstay your visa to work in Portugal, that is illegal. Does your fiance live in Portugal?
  • Sreendh you will be breaking the law by overstaying and due to the problems with the economy you will have a hard time as a foreigner to find work. Portuguese employers can be fined a minimum of 2000 Euros for employing an illegal immigrant.

    If you marry a European citizen you would be granted a EEA five year family permit but you would face problems in obtaining that visa if you are illegal.
  • I'm an American citizen and will be in Italy for 6 weeks. I then will travel to Scotland for a couple weeks and then stay in Italy for 3 months. Do I need a visa for that since it's broken up?
  • You can stay in Italy without a visa for up to 90 days within each 180-day period, so no, your second visit of 90 days is too soon.

    Cheers,
    Terry
  • As an American you do not need a visa for Italy or Scotland. The only problem you may have is this. As a US citizen you can only spend 90 days in a six month (180 days) period in the European Schengen Zone of which Italy is a member.

    You are proposing to spend 132 days in a 180 day period. leaving the Schengen zone does not "stop the clock". The UK (Scotland) is not in the Schengen zone.

    I suggest you request an extension of stay in Italy a week or so before you hit the 90 day mark, this will prevent any problems when you leave the Schengen zone.
  • Beat you by 3 minutes, Alethia. ;-)

    Cheers,
    Terry
  • Great minds Terry :smile:
  • hi i have small question
    if its obligatory to have an return ticket? If yes, f it necessary that return ticket is to the country from witch I am coming or it can be any county out of Schengen area for example Turkey or UK? And if on airport when i come to the Schengen are -Berlin- i will show my return ticket before 90 day end to Turkey they can ask me to show visa to that country?

    thanks for help Domiii
  • Hi domiii,
    As I understand it an onward ticket is an acceptable replacement for a return ticket - that is, so long as you have a flight ticket demonstrating you will leave the Schengen zone you should be fine, provided you fulfill all the other requirements for getting your visa. But naturally you will need to have the visa etc for your next destination once you are at the airport! Or perhaps I have misunderstood your question? What is your nationality?
  • Hi elly the point is that my boyfriend from Paraguay will come to stay with me in Poland buy his flay is to Germany , so i wish to know if with leaving Schengen fly ticket for example to Turkey they wont make him problems to get in to Schengen . In Poland we want make a papers that h can stay i just wont to be shore he will get in to EU. :)
  • Once in the Schengen zone you can visit as many Schengen countries as you like, regardless of which country issued the visa. That's how the Schengen zone works. So you shouldn't have any problem moving between Poland and Germany. I don't really understand what you are trying to do with the flights. Why not just provide flight information for the actual flights you will be taking out of the Schengen zone?
  • the flay s because any person who is coming to Schengen zone need to improve that will be leaving Schengen after those 90 days. so he need a flay ticet from Schenge to somewhere out of Schengen.
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